The new Lincoln Aviator Grand Touring made its debut last week, arriving with an impressive hybrid powertrain that is making a whopping 450 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque.
The electrified powertrain consists of a 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged V6 engine paired with a 10-speed automatic transmission. The single electric motor is mounted within the 10-speed automatic transmission, stuffed just ahead of the torque converter, providing electric drive and regenerative braking. This new hybrid system allows Ford to use different sized motors for different applications, so it seems as though this hybrid system is destined to appear in other vehicles.
We think one vehicle this exact setup could appear in is the forthcoming Mustang hybrid, which is due in 2021 or beyond. Ford has alluded to such a setup for the car as well, saying the Mustang hybrid will make V8 power but with “even more low-end torque.” We think that’s exciting news for Mustang fans – what’s not to like a Mustang with up to 450 hp and 600 lb-ft of torque? As long as the price is somewhat reasonable, of course.
In addition to the Mustang, it’s highly likely this exact technology is what will power the F-150 hybrid, which is also due in 2021. Ford can use different sized motors with this hybrid transmission setup, remember, so it’s likely the F-150 hybrid and Mustang hybrid will have different power outputs than the Aviator Grand Touring.
The next-generation Mustang is expected to use a new flexible platform from Ford, which will likely use some parts from the Aviator. Some of the Aviator Grand Touring’s fancier components could appear on future Mustangs as well, then, such as its drive mode select system and adaptive suspension with camera-based road preview.
We are getting a bit ahead of ourselves, though. First Ford has to continue building the current Mustang, which is due to receive a new family member next month in the way of the Shelby GT500. The GT500 is expected to make more than 700 hp from its supercharged V8 engine, putting the Camaro ZL1 and Challenger Hellcat in its crosshairs. No disrespect to the Mustang hybrid, but that sounds a bit more suited to our interests.
Is the new hybrid drive train different from the HF35 that is used in the Fusion Hybrdi and Energi models, and in the MKZ Hybrid? The HF35 has two motors, not just one, which allows the main traction motor to directly drive the wheels while the second motor acts as the engine start/generator, and can add power together with the main motor when needed.
It’s different, as the article says “The single electric motor is mounted within the 10-speed automatic transmission, stuffed just ahead of the torque converter.” It’s unlikely to be as efficient as Ford’s Toyota-style Powersplit, maybe it can handle more power.
So this new power train must use a starter motor to turn the engine if the new motor is driving the wheels through the transmission. It is probably cheaper to do but it isn’t a full hybrid. Too bad Ford has decided to go this route. GM did build a new RWD hybrid transmission based on the Volt’s FWD design, and installed it in the PHEV Cadillac CT6, so it is a full hybrid.
So, let’s just think about this here for a moment, 1.) Every V6 twin turbo ford has sounds like complete crap. 2.) what kinds of mods can you do to a hybrid? None. in short, hybrid mustang = Another fail for Ford, but, not surprising.
Not all Mustang owners will want to “mod” their vehicles. Hybrids are for those who want to drive well and save money. I have a 2014 Hybrid Fusion, and in five years I have changed only one item: the oil filter once a year. Nothing else! And I have reached up to 54 MPG. A Hybrid Mustang can get even better than 60 MPG yet still drive it as a true sports car and save thousands of dollars a year.
You diid not “think about this here” at all. I see that you have the mentality of the early 20th century. Future 21st century sportscars will be electric (watch the Tesla S beat ALL other sposrtscars in YouTube videos) or hybrids.
1.) No disrespect to you but you drive a Fusion Hybrid, seeing as such, your point is rather invalid. You are a penny pinching right lane commuter, definitely putting you squarely out of the realm of a mustang customer and or owner. Being that you’ve barely made it above the level of respect i give a prius owner let me point out the fact to you that mustang owners typically care about a few things, the sound, the feel and the performance so we can run circles around you, and to hell with your 54mpg. People who buy Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers and Chargers, usually aren’t concerned with “oh i only change my oil” We like these cars because they are fun to drive and fun to mod. And you can take a tesla and drive it up your frugal @$$. You guys are the kinds of people i love watching get pissed off when someone in a diesel truck pulls up next to you and rolls coal all in your windows Also another thing about your tesla, I’ve watched quite a few of them get owned by ZL1s and Hellcats. They’re not the be all-end all car. Now I agree, hybrids have their place and yeah they can be made to perform but keep them out of the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger and Charger. i’m sure that i’m not the only one on this forum that would tell you to keep your Teslas I’m an old fashioned, moral having, woman loving, beer drinking, Bacon cheeseburger eating man that will take an old fashioned, ass-kicking, good old homegrown American V8 any day of the week. The V8 engine shaped this whole damn industry and as long as i have a voice i’m going to do my best to make sure that the V8 American Muscle car will always have a place on this soil! So you can stick to skinny jeans, manicured nails, suit and tie, coexisting tolerant, frappachino, wall street life of right lane hybrids, parent teacher conferences and board meetings. I’ll stick to fishing holes, mudding, country roads, burnouts and being elbow deep in grease & dirty car oil. And yeah, mustang owners buy mustangs usually to mod them. Just wanted to let you know. but stick to your hybrids and stay out the left lane!
As i went back and re-read the article above, I found something most intriguing about this hybrid engine and the potential this thing could have. (By the way Raymond, I’m an old-school minded gear head traditionalist, with deep resentment for anything that falls outside of American Muscle car, American V8 trucks, American diesel trucks or American V-Twin or V-4 Motorcycles) It says the electric motor is mounted behind the engine between the gasoline engine and the 10-speed automatic’s torque converter and can be used with different power trains. This means Ford has the potential to use a V8 with a Hybrid setup and all wheel drive. If Ford were smart, they’d benchmark the BMW M850 coupe as the model for the 7th Gen Mustang. Ford already has the smallest V8 of the American Big three, Chevy’s Camaro has a 6.2L V8 and the Chargers have 5.7L and 6.4L V8 engines. A Hybrid 5.0L V8 with all wheel drive could conservatively get 495hp and 530lb-ft of torque (110ft-lb more than what it currently has). Just thinking, If Ford were to take the Gen-3 coyote V8, put the GT350 top intake manifold, throttle body, high flow intake, GT350 style heads and cams (for the cross plane setup) the GT350 style exhaust manifolds, an active exhaust system, a performance AWD setup similar to what was in the Focus RS/ Taurus SHO, Magnetic ride, Brembo brakes, a better designed interior (still retro but more tech) and a few other things, the Mustang would be the best American Pony/Sports car hands down.